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Juerg Kuster
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From:Zuerich Switzerland
Registered: Jan 2001

posted 01-04-2001 15:42     Click Here to See the Profile for Juerg Kuster   Click Here to Email Juerg Kuster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello to all

I am a consultant here in Zurich and currently in contact with a fairly large hospital in Europe who wants to introduce a group-bonus program to honor interdiciplinary team efforts (e.g. doctors, nurses, technical pers. in operating rooms). Does anyone have field experience on this subject?
Thank's in advance for any replies!
juerg

Eli Camhi
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From:New York, New York, USA
Registered: Feb 2001

posted 02-24-2001 10:20     Click Here to See the Profile for Eli Camhi   Click Here to Email Eli Camhi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As the administrative director of the AIDS Center at Montefiore Medical Center with a multidisciplinary team of over 50 healthcare professionals serving over 1700 adult HIV infected patients we have an interest in your query too.

In our setting, however, we are constrained because some of our team are under union contract which prohibits bonuses. This does not apply to management or physicians.

What we have done is to offer team retreats (all expenses paid) and provide a generous reimbursement policy regarding team member professional conference expense.

Obviously, this is not sufficient. I would welcome additional suggestions.

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Originally posted by Juerg Kuster:
Hello to all

I am a consultant here in Zurich and currently in contact with a fairly large hospital in Europe who wants to introduce a group-bonus program to honor interdiciplinary team efforts (e.g. doctors, nurses, technical pers. in operating rooms). Does anyone have field experience on this subject?
Thank's in advance for any replies!
juerg


[This message has been edited by Eli Camhi (edited 02-25-2001).]

Bruce O
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From:Simi Valley, California
Registered: Mar 2001

posted 03-21-2001 16:05     Click Here to See the Profile for Bruce O   Click Here to Email Bruce O     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I completely disagree with the idea of bonuses. The management philosophy of Dr. Edwards Deming states that ultimately money is not a motivator and certainly not what you want to build a "team" around. Money can be a strong de-motivator. To reward the so called "most inspired" member with a big bonus means the rest of the "team" are the losers. Teams are built not bought and fostering leadership, mutual respect, personal responsiblity and accountabiltiy without blame are some starting points for building a team.

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tjclifford
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From:Traverse City, MI USA
Registered: Mar 2001

posted 04-11-2001 15:34     Click Here to See the Profile for tjclifford   Click Here to Email tjclifford     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Bruce O.
There is some motivation in money, but it
only goes so far.
Being able to utilize skills, being
challenged, opportunities to learn and
grow are powerful factors. I believe
money comes into it more when the other
factors are missing or withheld by
management, either by design or by a
badly designed system.
Besides, bonuses only come so often;
to be an effective team you must work
to improve yourselves and each other
on a constant basis.
I view bonuses like the annual review;
it is usually too little, too late - it
is more damage control, just like financial
statements.
Also, how do you reward the team if only
some of the members work hard and make
things happen ?
No simple answers.......

Tom Clifford
Munson Healthcare
Traverse City, MI
tclifford@mhc.net

Juerg Kuster
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From:Zuerich Switzerland
Registered: Jan 2001

posted 04-24-2001 08:22     Click Here to See the Profile for Juerg Kuster   Click Here to Email Juerg Kuster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello to all faithfull posters of replies!

I get the message: - no bonus! "too little too late", "inspired members against team loosers", "hard workers against ..." etc.

Well consider this story:
Up to now in a certain clinical department of a large government hospital, the chief surgeon and his deputy have reaped the big money, because under our system here in Switzerland, they receive a handsome basic salary plus practically all the receipts from private patient treatments because they are famous and the chiefs. In all, quite a lot of money.

Suddenly, the boss has the frightening idea, that he actually can only perform well and write his big invoices if all the staff in his clinic (doctors, nurses, instrumentalists etc.) works well regarding quality and quantity and feels at ease at work. He takes a heroic leap forward and resolves to let his staff participate on his receipts. In other words to create a "Receipts-pool" to be shared by all clinic-staff. So far so good! Scratch! But how on earth do I, the boss, share a good part of my large receipts in a way which makes sense to all my collaborators?

That's where you would come in again, dear fellow healthcare specialists.
Juerg

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Rawle
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From:Trinidad, West Indies
Registered: Apr 2001

posted 05-02-2001 02:58     Click Here to See the Profile for Rawle   Click Here to Email Rawle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,
I have been observing this discussion for some time now. I think I should join. There are two assumptions that are applicable in team bonuses.
1. that groups of individuals are more likely to produce outstanding results than an individual of the team acting alone.
2. that when groups of people are rewarded they perform better or their performance improves.

So I think Jurg that you should try a pilot along the following lines:

a) let the team be voluntary
b) let them do some work in team learning
c) let the team decide what is going to be a significant team improvement. Something or a couple results that can be measured
d) let the reward (bonus) be agreed by team and team supervisor, administrator prior to the commencement of the team program.
e)coach the team's performance
f) if it works set new team performance targets, period, learn from the mistakes and expand to other areas in the hospital

Rawle

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Black Belt
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From:Roswell, GA, USA
Registered: Oct 2000

posted 05-08-2001 11:05     Click Here to See the Profile for Black Belt   Click Here to Email Black Belt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, Juerg. I have a somewhat different perspective on the compensation/bonus question. I have identified a set of conditions that are required to create conditions for peak performance. One of the conditions relates to rewards. I wrote a brief story called Of Chocolate Cakes and Mountain Tops that addresses rewards and your question directly, but it is too long to post. If you post your email address, I will send you a copy.

Juerg Kuster
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From:Zuerich Switzerland
Registered: Jan 2001

posted 05-22-2001 09:58     Click Here to See the Profile for Juerg Kuster   Click Here to Email Juerg Kuster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank's to all repliers!
The topic seems quite interesting and provokes all kinds of reactions.
After all the information having poured in, I will attempt to share some of my thoughts how to proceed in this particular case.
Thank's again and keep it pouring!
Juerg

Black Belt
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From:Roswell, GA, USA
Registered: Oct 2000

posted 05-23-2001 13:52     Click Here to See the Profile for Black Belt   Click Here to Email Black Belt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The premise in "Of Chocolate Cakes and Mountain Tops" is that any results produced in a business (for profit or not-for-profit) are created by ALL the people in that business and could not be created without them. If they could be created without any of the staff, then the appropriate action is to have those staff work elsewhere.

Because the results are produced as a joint effort, it only makes sense(linear logic) that the net profits be shared equally with all who contributed. This includes shareholders (provided capital), staff
members, and the business itself (providing investment and/or replacement capital).

So the formula is to pay market wages and salaries to attract and retain the talent necessary to create the desired business results and to share profits equally with all staff.

One company that won a Malcomb-Baldrige award in 1995 is Wainwright Industries. They actually use the formula. The way they implement it is to take 25% of pre-tax profit every 6 months and pay it out equally to all employees. This means that the President and business owner receives exactly the same amount as the janitors.

When I visited this company in 1996, they reported tremendous financial success as a result of having implemented this reward system in 1989/1990 (or around that time). Of course the success was driven by more than just the reward system. They had actually created the conditions for peak performance (subject of another article) for their
company.

So that's the reward story.

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