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DeborahS Junior Member Posts: 6 |
We have all been so effected by the events of Sept 11th. While the human reaction is retaliation, the systemic perspective helps us reflect on the real complexity.As systems thinkers we need to look at the cultural, political, economic and historical processes at play in this event. On a more personal level, we all need to examine our attitudes and those of leaders representing us and how we wield our power and influence in the world.It would help us all, I believe to better understand all the systemic structures at play, so we can find the leverage points! [This message has been edited by DeborahS (edited 09-19-2001).] [This message has been edited by DeborahS (edited 09-19-2001).] |
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TymothY Junior Member Posts: 1 |
The attack was predicted by a bipartisan commission in 1999 but was not effectively acted upon.(see report attached) Systems thinking could reveal much in the way of preventing a recurrence. The question is whether our leaders are brave and wise enough to act upon those insights. Or is political survival and heroism more important in influencing their decisions? Can political structures be modified to ensure that elected leaders act together to ensure a peaceful world? Attached Article from Washington Post: Americans will become increasingly vulnerable to hostile attack on our homeland," warned another major report on national security. "Americans will likely die on American soil, possibly in large numbers." In a crowded Senate hearing room yesterday, former senator Gary Hart of Colorado quoted those sentences to great effect. "That conclusion was delivered on Sept. 15, 1999, almost exactly two years to the day before our prediction came true," he said. Hart co-chaired, with former senator Warren Rudman of New Hampshire, a bipartisan commission that worked more than three years, spent $10 million and produced a three-part report called "New World Coming: American Security in the 21st Century." That commission, initiated by then-President Clinton and House Speaker Newt Gingrich in a rare bipartisan truce, also urged the creation of a homeland security agency – a sweeping sort of interior ministry whose very name might have unsettled many Americans before Sept. 11. Back in December 1997, the National Defense Panel report said: "Coastal and border defense of the homeland is a challenge that again deserves serious thought." But the idea wasn't high on anyone's to-do list. After all, the report was looking way ahead, "to meet the challenges of 2020." As Rudman said in an interview, "We Americans have an ability to procrastinate until we get hit on the head by a 2-by-4." "There were people who would say, 'Homeland security? What are you, nuts?'‚" recalled Antsen. "Now the thinking has changed. Now it's an agreed-to assumption." "You've been voices in the wilderness, for the most part," Sen. Fred Thompson (R-Tenn.) said at yesterday's hearing by the Senate Committee on Governmental Affairs. "You were ahead of your time," added Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.), the committee's chairman. Despite their prescience, soothsayers such as Antsen (who also worked on the Hart-Rudman report) are not chiding, "We told you so." They're heartened that their research provided a blueprint that could be quickly implemented. And by most accounts, senior Bush administration officials paid serious attention to the recommendations. "The president put it at the top of his agenda," said Virginia Gov. James S. Gilmore, who chaired an advisory panel established in 1999 to assess preparedness in the event of a terrorist attack involving weapons of mass destruction. "This president acted within days after his inauguration to begin to go to work on the issue and to coordinate with us." Gilmore's report included this now eerie statement: "We have been fortunate as a nation." It added, "We are impelled by the stark realization that a terrorist attack on some level inside our borders is inevitable and the United States must be ready." But none of the recent major studies on terrorist threats specifically envisioned an attack by hijackers who would turn jetliners into bombs. "We concluded that the real weapon is not the device or the material involved, but the terrorist delivery capacity and capability," Gilmore noted in his testimony at yesterday's hearing. "Unfortunately, I am afraid that this point has been borne out by the events of Sept. 11." The governor added in an interview, "It's not been the goal of our commission to try to dream up every possible conventional attack possible. We understand that they are limited only by the imagination of the evil mind, so it's purposeless, really, to try to analyze those things." Though he wasn't at the hearing yesterday, Gingrich was hailed by Rudman as the "father" of the homeland security concept. Later, the former Republican congressman spoke modestly about his contributions. "Maybe the uncle," said Gingrich, giving credit to Clinton, too. "I wouldn't say we were prescient. I would say this [Sept. 11] event is not the event we warned about, this event is the harbinger . . . ." One morning in October 1998, Antsen and another staffer were briefing Gingrich on asymmetric theories when he urged them to read screenplays and spy novels to get ideas about what terrorists were capable of doing. Get creative, he said, since our enemies will certainly be. As Antsen noted, "The most important thing about an asymmetric attack is that you cannot identify it ahead of time." It is designed to be unthinkable, unimaginable. But on Sept. 11, there were those who could comprehend what had happened. That morning, Warren Rudman was heading to his Washington law office by cab, listening to National Public Radio reports. "I thought, 'Oh God, we predicted this.' I'm so sorry were were right. I felt awful. I take no satisfaction in our prediction." [This message has been edited by TymothY (edited 09-26-2001).] |
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DeborahS Junior Member Posts: 6 |
Thanks for the input. It is frustrating when we think the information was available. Were we in denial or did we reject the prediction because it was a viewpoint we did not want to hear or was considered too radical? I think in democratic forums there is always a danger of discounting viewpoints that challenge the norms or majority thinking. From a systems point of view that means the feedback loops must escalate to get the point across. I believe that in dialogue we must include new information and challenges to the existing norms. Denial is very powerful. What ways have others combated groupthink? |
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lourussell Junior Member Posts: 1 |
Deborah - Thanks for inviting me. It strikes me that many are talking about the issues of personal respect and tolerance from a global perspective, but still drive others off the road, yell at their kids, belittle the kid's soccer ref or treat supermarket clerks like dirt. We're all hooked - the solution must be local as well as global. Lou Russell |
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Chris Soderquist Junior Member Posts: 3 |
With recent polls suggesting many Americans support military action, even if "collateral damage" occurs, I think this is an extremely important dialogue for us to hold at this time in history. I’ve been trying to understand what are some of the structures that are currently in place that have brought us to this point, and which seem to be carrying us toward a natural response of retaliation and further anger. The (admittedly simplistic) models I’ve built in my spare time suggest that anger and certainty of beliefs drive a group to violent actions, which then builds anger and strengthens belief in the other group—which leads to actions by that group that continue the escalation. These models suggest a couple of leverage points: 1) lessen the certainty of beliefs of one or both party (e.g. decide to build a stock of tolerance) and/or 2) create other reactions besides retaliation that curb violence, but aren’t done in violence. I’ve just downloaded and explored a learning laboratory from High Performance Systems (http://www.hps-inc.com/Terrorism_Story_Download.asp) . The mental models in this lab are similar to ones I’ve just described. I encourage anyone who wants to begin the dialogue of what structure is causing this escalating violence to download the lab and try it out. And then post your reactions to this site. You may agree or disagree with what’s there. But I’m certain the experience will sharpen your mental model about the situation, including what might be the impacts of various policies now under consideration. And let’s continue the dialogue! [This message has been edited by RodWilliams (edited 09-24-2001).] |
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Marti Junior Member Posts: 7 |
I think a major structure that the world must confront (and the U.S. in particular as the leader and country controlling most of the world's resources) is this: the growing divide between the haves and have nots. The kind of terrorism that we just saw is growing in a soil conditioned by those who have little to lose. What kind of system interventions can help the first world see that the growing gap will continue to provide fertile soil for violence and terrorist action? |
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CSIswim Junior Member Posts: 2 |
I see that decades of policy decisions, and actions taken by governments/institutions who only considered their viewpoint or financial impact, a primary structure to Sept. 11. I would also include the rhetoric delivered to citizens/followers reinforcing those views as the only valid ones. There exists a need to increase mental flexibility, consider multiple global views, seek to understand them, and work to resolve impact for ALL involved by a change. Hard to do, but definitely a challenge worthy of response. |
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mpeyer Junior Member Posts: 2 |
The attack could have been predicted by anyone - just the means were unpredictable. However the airlines have known that the cockpit doors were vulnerable and chose to not react. Had they been secure, this would not have happened. Shame on them. The real danger here is that our 'national' government will grab more power to control our lives in ways that will have no impact on the threats from others. This power grab will harm our way of life far more than anything that can be done from the outside. Let us not throw in the towell on our constitution and bill of rights at this critical time in our history or our freedoms are history. Our freedom is the only thing that makes us special. quote: |
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DeborahS Junior Member Posts: 6 |
I believe we all need to acknowledge the USA's part in the escalation. Not that any political move could ever ever warrant the form of retaliation that we have suffered, but in order to deescalate we need to look at ourselves and learn. www.theonion.com, a satirical online magazine published "talking to your child" about the Sept 11th attacks. It is a very interesting and systemic piece highlighting the escalating loops leading up to the attack. I have taken the liberty of copying it here. I'm not sure that I agree with the tone or the implications, but it got me thinking. Would love to get other reactions and additional input. Here it is: "As your child may or may not know, much of modern Islamic fundamentalism has its roots in the writings of Sayyid Qutb, whose two-year sojourn to the U.S. in the late 1940s convinced him that Western society and non-Islamic ideologies were flawed and corrupt. Over the course of the next several decades, his writings became increasingly popular throughout the Arab world, including Afghanistan.
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Sharon Eakes Junior Member Posts: 1 |
One of the clerics on 60 Minutes last night noted that a very big issue among those who hate the U.S., and the fundamentalist Muslims who are presumed to be the terrorists fit here, is our “religion of consumerism“ and its impact on the rest of the world. It occurs to me that this mental model is so deeply in us it is mostly invisible. It is also so much a part of who we are as a country …our economy depends on it…that it is hard to examine…..and how could we change it? |
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BobJG Junior Member Posts: 1 |
Most discussion on these pages and in many high-profile journals appears to suggest that the U.S. brought the suicide attacks upon itself by having "Bad Policies" in the Mid-East, particularly towards Israela and the Palestinians. What would these systems thinkers propose for the U.S.?: What kind of reinforcing feedback loop would we start if we allowed the suicide terrorists to "win" by giving into some/any of their demands to change policy? (Does anyone really think that the U.S. could do anything to appease bin Laden/Taliban/Muslim extremists who consider Americans to be Satan? Why would a rational person ever make peace with the great Satan?) Perhaps some policy investment into the structures of the international justice system or the system of alliances to counter and root out terrorists will make more sense than just changing ourselves into something that we're not to appease people who will hate us no matter what we do. BTW, none of the terrorists seem to acknowledge or remember that the U.S. intervened on Muslim behalf in both Bosnia and Macedonia against the nominally Orthodox Christian Yugoslavia. Muslim-centered policies made no difference in those cases. Regards, RJG |
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Janicem Administrator Posts: 12 |
I would be surprised if participants in this discussion believed that the U.S. brought the suicide attacks on itself; no one I know thinks that the terrorists were in any way justified in taking thousands of innocent lives. Rather, we’re all struggling to understand WHY these events occurred, for two basic reasons: one, as part of the grieving/healing process; and two, as a way to be sure that we can prevent such atrocities from happening again. In understanding why the terrorists acted the way they did—and what fuels their sympathizers—we would be remiss if we didn’t reexamine the impact of U.S. actions and U.S. culture around the world—for better or for worse. We can’t learn—on an individual, organizational, or national basis—without being willing to take responsibility for both the intended and the unintended consequences of our actions. Through this learning process, perhaps we—and others—can begin to take more effective actions in resolving some of the long-standing, intractable, complex struggles that Bob mentioned, because it’s obvious that past approaches haven’t worked. Being open to learning has nothing to do with appeasing terrorists and everything to do with improving our effectiveness. I also firmly believe that, rather than changing us into something we’re not, adopting a learning perspective lets us be more of who we are—a strong, just, pioneering people. That being said, I agree that we must always try to anticipate the consequences of our actions and, in this case, ensure that we don't seemingly reward acts of violence. [This message has been edited by Janicem (edited 10-24-2001).] |
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Dr. James B. Rieley Junior Member Posts: 1 |
The situation that the world is in today is complex beyond belief, and sometimes, in order to better understand a particular situation, it can be helpful to look at some of the characteristics of that situation in a different context. Ever since 11 September 2001, our world has changed. And with that change - change in how we view the world, how we view our political and economic relationships in the world, and how we view our individual relationships with others - some people are beginning to see what appear to be dramatic shifts in the policies and procedures of governments globally. As it has been recognised by those who think systemically, 'there is more going on than meets the eye.' To better understand the possible ramifications of those shifts as this is happening, it can be helpful to reflect on several rules that govern collective behaviours. The rules are: Structure Drives Behaviour, The Easiest Way Out Will Lead Back In, and, There is a Delay Between Cause and Effect. Structure Drives Behaviour: Structures, viewed in systemic behavioural terms, refer to policies and procedures, mental models, and stated goals. The stated goal is quite clear - we have all heard it over and over again in all the media - to stamp out global terrorism once and for all. The way in which this goal will be accomplished has caused a shift in many policies and mental models. As a global coalition is assembled to combat terrorism, we are seeing a shift in many of the policies that governments have had in place for years. These policies include how governments 'categorise' other governments, and the process of categorisation is in reality, a demonstration of the collective mental models of how the coalition perceives who is a 'friend' and who is a 'foe.' As the coalition - whomever that may include over time - begins to formulate its response to terrorism, it will find itself in the peculiar position of treating governments that for many years were considered to be 'foes,' but in this new order, are suddenly thought of as 'friends.' This shift is based on the fact that many nations have suddenly found themselves in a situation where the world has now become binary in nature - as in the words of the President of the United States; you are either 'with us or against us.' The Easiest Way Out Will Lead Back In: This rule refers to the fact that in most cases, people focus on problem symptoms, not the underlying problems themselves. The symptom, in the situation the world has found itself, is terrorism that drove the horrific attack on the World Trade Centre in New York, and the Pentagon building in Washington, D.C. Most certainly, this is a problem symptom that needs to be addressed, but whilst the new globally based coalition focuses on how to respond/retaliate/seek retribution for the vicious attacks, it will need to also try to step back and understand what the problem actually is that drove the behaviours that we have all witnessed. If the underlying problem is not addressed - and the world simply reacts to the problem symptom - the problem will, over time, simply manifest itself once again. Do we want a world that works together to promote peace, or do we want a world divided? As we all know, a policy of retaliation only begins to set up the dynamics of escalation, and escalation can only be resolved when there are no survivors left on our planet. There is a Delay Between Cause and Effect: One of the reasons that we have just experienced the terrorist attack in the United States is not because a group of terrorists suddenly became angry at America on 10 September. In all reality, this attack was the result of years of planning. And, if you listen to several of the groups of people who have suddenly found themselves to explicitly be 'foes' of the coalition, the planning and subsequent attacks were a response to treatment they have received for many years. This note is not the forum to talk about the pros or cons of this type of argument, but the note has been written to address some of the dynamics that are facing the world today. Whatever the new coalition decides to do, it will need to realise that their actions will result in two types of effects - effects that are noticeable immediately, and effects that we may not see for many years. Will the coalition's response be effective? In the short-term, most probably yes. But, if we realise that there is a delay between real cause and effect, we will not know the real effect for many years. This is not dissimilar to the environmental situation the world finds itself in today - are we prepared to sacrifice our children's future for a peaceful world simply to get revenge? Perhaps. There is always a price to pay for governmental actions. This note is not meant to be pro-coalition actions or anti-coalition actions. As an American who has been living overseas, however, it is quite apparent that there is more going on than meets the eye. Living overseas has given us the opportunity to experience many views on what has happened, what may have contributed to the event itself, and what might happen when the coalition responds. Yes, it is clear that the efforts to build a global coalition are bringing governments together to fight terrorism, which is a threat to us all. But we, as human beings who are simply stewards of this planet for our children, need to be thoughtful enough to recognise some of the unintended consequences of the coalition’s actions. Only time will tell. We hope that some of the lessons that can be learned from this experience will be remembered. It is clear that the many lessons from the past have not been. We only advocate understanding the rules that govern the behaviours of all of us. |
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